Gluten Free Recipes

*************************** A little boy is telling his Grandma how "everything" is going wrong. School, family problems, severe health problems, etc. Meanwhile, Grandma is baking a cake. She asks her grandson if he would like a snack, which, of course, he does. "Here, have some cooking oil." "Yuck" says the boy. "How about a couple raw eggs?" "Gross, Grandma!" "Would you like some flour then? Or maybe baking soda?" "Grandma, those are all yucky!" To which Grandma replies: "Yes, all those things seem bad all by themselves. But when they are put together in the right way, they make a wonderfully delicious cake! God works the same way. Many times we wonder why he would let us go through such bad and difficult times. But God knows that when He puts these things all in His order, they always work for good! We just have to trust Him and, eventually, they will all make something wonderful!" God is Crazy About You. He sends you flowers every spring and a sunrise every morning. Whenever you want to talk, He'll listen. He can live anywhere in the universe, and He chose your heart. Betty grandmother and guardian to Andrew 9 yo dx'd ADHD, possibly bipolar/RAD, asthma Evan 7 yo dx'd nonverbal autism David 5 yo dx'd ADHD, possibly bipolar/RAD

Anybody know of a gyro meat recipe? I know it is usually beef and lamb but not sure of the rest or how I could slice it like we use to get at the restaurants. My daughter keeps asking for it and I can't get any one to confirm whether Gyro meat is GFCF. Any ideas??? Thanks in advance Lori

I made this from Lisa's book yesterday. It's on page 152-in my book at least. It is made from eggplant and reminds me of guacamole. I didn't have the tahini it calls for(actually I looked at that word and though tamarind and that went on my shopping list. All of these new words!)I still don't know what tahini is, but it doesn't matter. It was soooooo good. Try it if you haven't. I ate it with homeade tortilla chips that someone posted the idea for. Yes, I say "I" ate it as none of the others in my family got to try it. And I wonder why I am gaining weight on this "diet". Yikes, did I really eat an entire eggplant yesterday? I hope they are low in fat at least. SIGH Janelle Jane 2 1/2 PDD-NOS Jackson 13 mos NT

because they are my work as well. Please, Brenda, share any that are yours with the group. Sesame taffy sounds funky--and my mom just gave me a pound of sesame seeds...hmmm. luv from katm0mdu and her motley hungry krew

In a message dated 8/23/01 6:44:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time, adsampson76@... writes: Would someone please explain why sulfured coconut is bad? All of the coconut varieties that they had at my store contained sodium metabisulfite. I'm confused because many people have recommended sulfur products to chelate my son, yet everyone says to stay away from sulfured coconut. Why? Sulfate conjgation is a chemical process required for the transformation of many chemicals in our bodies, including drugs, neurotransmitters and phenolic compounds (which we come into contact with everywhere.) Many enzymes in our bodies serve this critical function, but PST is the one most people know about and it is believed that some of our kids are deficient in this enzyme. Rosemary Waring's data suggest that autistics may have an insufficient number of sulfate ions to accomplish sulfate conjugation. Some people think that you should avoid eating foods (high phenolic foods, or sulfited foods) that will "use up" critical sulfate ions. That is, you can lessen the load on a faulty enzyme system by eliminating foods components that require sulfate ions for detoxification. This is explained in more detail on page 29--31 of my book (Special Diets For Special Kids.) LL

In a message dated 8/23/01 12:34:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time, adsampson76@... writes: They might have cross contamination from butter, because many of their cookies contain butter. Call to check. Many people believe that butter is casein free--it is not. It is very low in casein, because it is mostly fat and casein is a protein. Of the little protein in butter, not all is casein (there is whey too and a few others I suspect.) For people who think it is important to be 100% casein free, butter is not acceptable. That is a decision everyone must make for their own families, and I am just posting what I learned after dozens of emails asking if butter was ok (most people seem to have gotten this from Dr. Semon's book and/or the chapter he wrote in Dr. Shaw's book.) LL

No unconverted recipes, please! I am struggling enough as it is!!! :-) The description of this website says "sharing gfcf recipes..." and that is why I joined. Janelle

I tried to respond to the following privately, but got an error message. Phyllis, perhaps you could send me your correct e-mail addy. I hate to make personal replies through the list. In a message dated 08/23/2001 8:26:51 AM Eastern Daylight Time, the100acrewoodcc@... writes: . I couldnt think of a single thing to make for lunch that my kids would eat, since they dont like the HFS bread, which got me worrying about what I am going to do when schools starts next week (help still needed in this department cuz the kids do not like Tofu, Vegan cheese,or anything else out of the ordinary), and I finally ended up on the floor in the bathroom crying my eyes out for over 1/2 hr. Dear Phyllis: OK. Wipe your eyes. You can do this! My daughter and I did it, with both of us working fulltime, and with kids 13 months apart. It's hard, but SO worth it! Our David gained SEVEN years in test scores when we started the diet, from 16-33 months to 2nd thru 5th GRADE at age 5 years, 8 months. The most important thing here is to think outside the box! Forget traditional "lunch" menus and make a list of what your kids will eat. Then figure out which of them are portable! In David's case we came up with the following: - strips of meat (chicken, turkey, ham, or beef) can be bagged to eat with fingers, used to top a salad, or added to other ingredients and wrapped in a corn tortilla or lettuce leaf. - chicken drumsticks, roasted, barbecued, with a lemon-honey glaze, ovenfried, etc. - raw veggies with hummus as a dip (hummus is ground chickpeas, and high in protein) - chicken salad, egg salad, or ham salad, on lettuce, or wrapped in lettuce leaf or corn tortilla, or wrap egg salad in a slice of ham or turkey lunchmeat. - peanut butter on rice crackers - skewers of cooked chicken, cherry tomatoes, broccoli, etc. - chicken or beef fried rice, in thermos - taco salad (pack the tortilla chips or slices in a bag, the veggies in a bag, and the taco meat in a thermos, and have the child dump them together in a disposable bowl) - fresh fruit, esp. melon slices (watermelon, honeydew, canteloupe) Fortunately, you can buy many gfcf chips, fruit rolls, etc. at your local grocery store. You can also send a bag of gfcf cereal, and a thermos of whichever milk sub you use. Or let them eat a dry cereal as a snack or chip (at least they have vitamins added.) We've been doing this since 2/12/1997, and it DOES get easier. Good luck! Carol

Hi Janelle, This is not a direct answer to your question about a sorghum substitute, but I wanted to let you know that we use Hageman's bean flour mix in Libby's pancakes with great results. Our boys prefer the pancakes this way to the original recipe with the greater amount sorghum flour. Also, I believe that the recipe in the archives calls for 2 packages of chocolate chips. We use one 12 oz package of Ghirardelli semi-sweet chocolate chips, which I have been able to purchase at the Walmart superstore. These chips are casein free, but they do contain real vanilla and I have not checked to see if the vanilla is gluten free. It hasn't been a problem for us. By the way, I have thought so many times how thankful I am for the Libby's pancake recipe. It is wonderful to be able to make ahead a mix in large quantities that yields a product that tastes so great. Our boys love these pancakes and we use them as a substitute for cookies or even donuts. They kind of remind me of a chocolate croissant!! We have found that we like the pancakes best if I make the batter on the thin side so that the pancakes spread out into a rather flat circle on the griddle. And a slow cooking time works well. I use my two burner cast iron griddle. Libby's Pancakes gets our hands down favorite recipe vote for a very yummy gfcf(and egg-free, our other big limitation) treat!! Jolene

Pamela's cookies are well labeled. The varieties that ar enot CF clearly say "butter" on the label. The PB one s are fine. They are also delicious and outrageously expensive. The easiest thing in the world is Bette Hagman's PB cookies, which contains only PB, sugar and egg if I remember correctly! LL

I wanted to buy some pappadums to have with our curry tonight. One of the ingredients listed was 'gram flour' - is this gf? marita

Does anyone have a recipe for Bob's Red Mill All purpose GF Baking Flour? Its a blend of Garbanzo flour, Potato Starch, Tapioca Flour, "Sweet" White Sorgum Flour, Fava flour.... My daughter loves the banana bread made with it me I can taste the beans..... YUCK! Also, Next question, is the super fast rising yeast like they have at Miss Robens really needed or is reg old red star ok? And why is Alkili processed cocoa bad? Of course guess what I just bought! Thanks! Laurie

Can anyone tell me why these were posted to this list??? They all had either dairy products or wheat products in them. Only one was possibly acceptable on this diet, and that would depend on the ingredients in the protein powder one uses. I enjoy getting GFCF recipes, I don't enjoy being reminded of what I can no longer cook. -G

We are having problems with B6 used with mercury chelation. We are wondering if others are also having issues and had anyone else read the article below? Principles of Medical Biochemistry, Meisenberg and Simmons, , 1998 Mosby Inc. ...Unlike the other water-soluble vitamins, B[6] is toxic when used in very high doses. The daily consumption of more than 500 mg of pyridoxine for several months leads to a peripheral sensory neuropathy, which is reversible after discontinuing the vitamin. Doses of 100-150 mg/day are used for treatment of carpal tunnel syndrome, and are in all likelihood related to the toxic effects of the dosage. in peace and love, Cindy For what we get, we can make a living; what we give, however, makes a life. -- Arthur Ashe God has given each of us a significant, unique, "blueprint", there is no reason to compare ourselves... Furthermore, God "blueprints" us to be ourselves - not to be someone else. -- L. Jane Mohline

Ok, you would think I have nothing else to do, but the fact is I am Type A/----Retentive Person and it is driving me nuts that every time I open this site it opens to the #211-2?? Post and then I have to go to LAST. I want it to open on the HOME page and then I will click on MESSAGES. How do I do that?! Ok, I feel better. Now I can go finish making those chicken nuggets and freezing the EXTRA teddy grahams I am baking. :-)Thanks Janelle

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Hello all, I am the mother of an enchanting little boy called Jack. Jack was diagnosed as autistic aged 3. Jack has taught me so much about life both with and without autism. He has also inspired my husband and I to share our world of autism with others via www.paains.org.uk. We see the site as a signpost for others to find out about all aspects of autism and related conditions. we have been online for a couple of months now and would like to pubicly thank all of those who have contacted us through the site with their thoughts, wishes, and ideas for the site. So to all those people out there reading this and to all the "special teachers" i would like to sayn hello and thank you.

Heck, I'm not going to wait till breakfast...I think that sounds like what we will be having for supper tonight! I bet it would be good with shredded zucchini instead of cheese, but probably wouldn't freeze very well.

Sorghum and juwar flours are the same, correct? I have that flour and want to make Libby's Chocolate Chip Pancakes(from archives). That is beside the point, my question is ... Sorghum is my most $ flour that I buy. Is there a replacement that works as well(cheaper)or is there a particular reason for using sorghum?(nutrition or texture?) I have mixed Betty's Four Bean Flour Mix, wouldn't that be an acceptable replacement? Thanks, Janelle

This just came in one the frozen assets list. I'm definitely going to try it! I'm also going to try it with cooked rice. Maybe corn mush? :-) << Potato Breakfast Pizza 1 lb frozen hashbrowns 1 lb breakfast sausage - cooked & crumbled (you could use bacon or ham also) 6 eggs + a little milk beaten together Grated cheese Heat a little oil in a large skillet and put in hashbrowns. Let them start cooking about half way. Season with salt & pepper (I also add a little garlic salt). Press down into your skillet to form a "crust". Pour the beaten eggs over the potatoes and then quickly add your cooked meat. At this point you could add mushrooms or black olives or cooked onions if you like. Cover with grated cheese, turn heat down to low, and cover. Cook until eggs are set and cheese is melted. This pizza should slide out of your skillet onto a serving plate very easily. Let it cool and slice into individual slices. Wrap in plastic wrap and freeze. I think that I saw this on TV somewhere, but my family really likes it. It is pretty easy and you can change it up each time.

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Ashley Hi, my name is Terry and my daughter is 11 weeks old. Basically I refused the Hep shot in the hospital and have made up my own immunization schedule for her. I followed some guidelines that were given at a DAN Conference. Today she received her Hib. She will not receive all Hib's and not all PVC's. Her Pedi is VERY nice and will work with me on practically everything I want to do. Though he has told me that he doesn't believe the immunizations is what caused my 5yo son to get PDD-NOS. But all the info that I have given him makes him comfortable enough to work with me. Her MMR WILL be in 3 separate shots leaving 1 year in between each. Basically a DAN doctor is a Defeat-Autism-Now doctor. I visited with 2 in my area and DISLIKED both of them. So I decided to talk with my son's Pedi and he was willing to do anything that could help Nik. I am one of the lucky ones. If you need any further advice or want some info e-mailed just e-mail me privately and I would be more than happy to help out. Hugs, Terry.B

I keep seeing people use the abbreviation or acronym ds? It's driving me crazy! What does that stand for? Janet in Illinois

I have looked at some phenol info, and have the list of the worst offenders, but my kids haven't had fruit in days. I don't know which are ok. Pineapple, pears, kiwi, are fairly ok,I am thinking...any others? Thanks Janelle

Dear Phyllis, Drink your lemonade, don't feel guilty, you are already doing super human things just dealing with that kind of behavior. I say this coming from a mom who did it for 12 years. You are way ahead of where I was at when my son was that age! Congratulations! I am about 5 months into this allergy thing so won't give you much advice on what to test for except test for corn and pray you don't have that one with your boys. It seems to be a common culprit for violence. Also you mentioned that one of your sons is worse now than he was a couple of weeks ago when you started the diet. That is great! That should mean that after he has his "withdrawal" period you should see great improvement. I know it seems hard to deal with right now but I am really glad I stuck it out with my son. Just be thankful that your kids are smaller and easier to control (somewhat anyway), if you had waited until they were older and larger you might find this period of time even more difficult and dangerous for you and them. And yes, I know this from experience. I know you are at your wits end. Believe me I have been there, too. I wish I was there to say leave for a couple of hours and get your sanity back. But since I can't do that, just know that you are already doing more and handling more than most moms ever have to on a daily basis. You have done a great job! You will do a great job of mothering them! And for now, you are taking a well deserved mental break. When I get where I can't take anymore I just pull back and do the bare minimum, make sure no one gets hurt. Easier, said than done most of the time, but make that your only worry right now and resort to TV, video games, anything you have that works to occupy them which by the sound of the boys may be pretty tough but I hope something works for a while. You will learn how to cook for them, I did and I am the world's worst cook!!! In the last few months, I have gone from burning frozen pizzas to creating some of my own recipes and actually making good tasting GF bread. It can be done but not in a day! My son's doc gave me a week to start his diet and that seemed impossible but I did it. I can hardly believe we ate that horrible stuff in the beginning and I spent a lot more money at the hfs at first. But hey, obviously I work well under pressure or I couldn't be his mother! I made a ton of mistakes at first like giving him non-GF rice milk and all kinds of stuff but all the learning has paid off with a boy that is actually fit to live in society these days! It is such a miracle and we are so thankful, I pray you get your miracle, too. If you have anyone family or friend wise to help you close by, I would highgly recommend you get someone to take the boys while you relax and research. This would have been great for me but not possible since my son was getting so hard to handle that only a professional could do it, and those have always been few and far between. I hope it is possible for you!!! Wish I was there to help you! RELAX and drink your lemonade! That is an order, LOL! Things will get better! And if they don't you will still make it because you love them. Best wishes and email anytime, Rhonda rjohnson@... home educating 3 Cole, age 12; corn, dairy, wheat and barley, apples, chicken, tomatoes, and peanuts Shelby, age 8; blueberries and now cranberries, some vinegars Connor, age 5; no allergies! "We are living in a world today where lemonade is made from artificial flavors and furniture polish is made from real lemons." (Alfred E. Newman)

Mags, I would very much be interested in them being posted. I can't access archives or anything like that as I have no web time but maybe 8 hours a month and I get thrown off anyway after 20 minutes or so. Its free Juno and the time keeps getting less and less. They give me unloimited email time, so thats how I do my list here. Plese post. Thanks. Denise (LJs mom) on Long Island New York * On Tue, 21 Aug 2001 09:01:35 EDT MagsSchwa@... writes: Now the question. Would the list like me to post my collection? Or do you want the people who want it to ask for it off-list. Would it be a good addition to the archives? Let me know! Mags

For those of you who have kids that cannot swallow pills yet, and need to supplement with CLO, what type do you use? can you disquise the flavor by simply mixing it with Fruit Juice, or do you buy a preflavoured one from Kirkmans? Thanks Sheryl

I think Rhonda posted a note regarding no more seizures. My son is 20 and has been gfcf since the beginning of June. He has had seizures since age 4 and I've been trying to find out if anyone out there has had experience with their kids seizure activity being reduced or eliminated by the diet. He is also taking enzymes, magnesium, and calcium right now. Folic acid hasn't arrived yet and will be starting DMG and SNT in the near future. Debbie Mother of Ryan - ASD age 20

Ok question for all you in the know! Do I need a bread machine? Can I make quick breads in a bread maker??? I have a cusanart, and scored big time this weekend with a Heavy duty top of the line brand new kitchenaid mixer (the 5 qt one) for only $175.00!!!! So should I keep the bread maker or take it back?!?! thanks, Laurie Mom to Grace 4.4

Miss Roben's has them: www.missroben.com They have quite a bit and their catalog has a good recipe for breakfast bars using the poha flakes. Jane

I am making my own rice milk. YIPPEE!! How do you know how much calcium powder(I use Kirkman's)to add? I worry about not getting enough? In a 2 QT plastic Rubbermaid pitcher, like we all probably have, how much would you add? Janelle

Isn't GFCF cooking humbling when first starting out?... My daughter used to love pancakes until I tried 3 times to make them. We eat them, but they are heavy hamburger looking "pancakes"(I use that term loosely). I use the Don Baker's recipe in Lisa's book. I have tried it 3 times. The batter reminds me of Plaster of Paris even though I add much more liquid. My poor children are losing faith in me and getting tired of cream of rice every morning. I figure I have one more chance....how is the Karyn's Pancakes recipe above the Don recipe? I hate to keep experimenting when I have you all for a wonderful resource!!!!I keep telling myself that living in Houston with the incredible humidity is affecting the results. It's starting to wear thin for my family.:-) Janelle

Maybe this has been discussed prior to my joining, but I read a post from the woman with AS(sorry, can't recall your name just now) regarding how she felt before and after GFCF. I want to know if any of your kids have been old enough/verbal enough to tell you what it feels like to have an infraction, be gfcf free, go through withdrawal, etc.. Janelle Mommy to Jane 2 1/2 PDD NOS Jackson 1 NT

Is there a list for gluten, casein, corn, and soy free? Parks is gluten, casein, and soy free and I am gluten, casein, and corn free. Thanks in peace and love, Cindy For what we get, we can make a living; what we give, however, makes a life. -- Arthur Ashe God has given each of us a significant, unique, "blueprint", there is no reason to compare ourselves... Furthermore, God "blueprints" us to be ourselves - not to be someone else. -- L. Jane Mohline

I just found out that this recipe group existed. How Exciting!!! Anyone out there have any good Ranch or sour cream dressing recipes that our kids can have? After almost three months on the diet I'm still trying to find a dressing similar to Hidden Valley Ranch that he will eat. He likes sour supreme so if anyone out there has a good dressing recipe using sour supreme I would love to try it as well. Thanks!

In a message dated 8/20/2001 5:15:18 AM Pacific Daylight Time, TabMTBC@... writes: Some vaccines, most notably MMR, have been linked, if I recally correctly, to development of autistic type symptoms in otherwise healthy children. The MMR vaccine in particular, if I recall, contains mercury, lead, and formaldehyde. I know the flu vaccine contains mercury as well. This is my memory, so feel free to research and correct me if I'm wrong. The thing with the MMR is a bit different. Hope you dont mind me clarifying:) The mmr does not contain mercury, but 3 live viruses. With the accumulation of all prior vaccinations that first year of life containing mercury some little bodies just cant take the assult to the immune system. Once they get that final 3 virus jab its really really an assult. Their bodies do not take it well at all, ending in an immune response hence leaky gut, and autistic symptoms. Dr Wakefield has researched this extensively and it has been such a fight to get this to be TRUTH to the public. There have been biopsies done on autistic childrens intestinal mucusa and have found the measles virus as the culprit to the leaky gut. Thank God not all children are affected, but something is predispositioning our kids and something isnt right here with the numbers so out of control. Anyone who feels their child was developing normally before their symptoms hit or dont feel its a genetic factor, I recommend if you havent already look more into the biological treatments with a DAN doctor. My son has done some testing, one test indicating leaky gut, stool tests indicating malabsorbtion, urine organic acids indicating some metabolic problems common in these situations. The diet has been great and is so obviously the best thing I ever did for him. So I know he had issues with leaky gut. And he was fine up until he was 13 mos old got that MMR and I noticed the change and loss of communication and most of all eye contact. No one can convince me that my son wasnt vaccine injured, I know he was. Tiffany

I think of a million questions at night to ask you all! Anyway, for the past several evenings my 1 yo NT son has been having horrible, screaming gas pains after being asleep for a few hours. He has been gfcf(for 5 weeks) with the rest of the family. However, I let him eat non GFCF foods occasionally. For example, during Jane's nap one day, he ate his Daddy's non gfcf sandwich(which he forgot to take to work-SIGH)for lunch. When my son goes to Mother's Day Out in a few weeks, I am sure he will get snacks such as Goldfish etc. that are non GFCF. I hadn't planned on enforcing the diet while he is "out and about". SO.....my question is....Do you think mixing GFCF and non GFCF could be causing the colic-like screaming, painful episodes? The only other thing I can think of is that we have been experimenting with different rice milks and possibly that bothers him. Then, of course there is the fact that I am not the greatest cook. SIGH :-) Janelle

Has anyone had trouble with their child reacting to any ingred. in Kirkman's DMG? We believe this is what had been causing Jane the stomach pains. I called and asked and Kirkman's said it could be a reaction to the raspberry flavoring. She also said the capsules didn't have this. Anyway, we stopped the DMG and I will reintroduce it in a few days. I think someone said it is out of your system within 24 hours or so. Again, I feel I am using my daughter as guinea pig. Is this the way it goes? How else do you determine what ingredients are the culprits other than to reintroduce? Janelle Mommy to Jane 2 1/2 PDD-NOS Jackson 1 NT

I have a question regarding a product; wanted to know if anyone has checked, and verified if it is gfcf and okay: Hershey's Sundae Syrup (double chocolate). Ingredients listed and suspects, are: modified food starch (anyone knows if it is from corn or wheat?); vanillin, an artificial flavoring (is this vanillin ok?); mono and diglycerides (are derived from....?); potassium sorbate (forgot if it is ok on the diet). Also, is "cocoa processed with alkali ok"? If this is not ok, what other ice cream chocolate syrup can my son use? Thanks in advance, Cristina-WA Mom to Gary 4.7 yo ASD, Sarah& David (almost) 2yo NT twins.

Ok, my sister-in-law used clomid for three years until she got pregnant with her second son, and she has an NT child, who is 3. She is now pregnant with her third child and she still used clomid. She says she hasn't had a problem at all. Maybe this child she is awaiting for will be NT as well. Maybe clomid is just "reacting" for those who has already a predisposition for autism. I didn't want to push her to question more, as she doesn't need to be worry now that she just got pregnant. I'll let you know in 7 months. :o) Cristina-WA Proud mom to Gary 4.7 yo ASD, Sarah & David (almost) 2 yo NT twins

Here is the recipe' I made these last year for Halloween! Dawn

In a message dated 8/19/2001 7:39:05 PM Pacific Daylight Time, kathymomof3boys@... writes: Hello. Why wouldn't you vaccinate your child or children? I am so confused. Kathy Its really complicated. But Ill start with a little bit Ive researched. Thimerosal is still in some vaccines is NOT safe and they still are using it. It is 50% mercury by weight, mercury is a proven neurotoxin and when someone has mercury toxicity, the symptoms are so strikingly similar to autism. A thermometer of mercury can pollute an entire lake, and we allow them to inject mercury into our babies? They never want to tell us the truth. by the time our kids are 2 they receive up to 20 vaccinations. They can never ever say that is 100% safe. Ive done a lot of research to reach my views. I KNOW my son was vaccine injured. Im not saying all cases of autism are caused by this. Really think about these small babies, growing brains and immature immune systems and these vaccines are really an assault. Yes, they have done good in ridding the diseases they are meant to prevent. BUT do your research, A LOT of truth is hidden. Polio vaccine in the 50's and 60's was grown on the green monkey kidney cells. It is published to the public regarding a virus (simian virus 40) this virus was UNDETECTED from the monkey cells and passed into these vaccines. It is documented to be the cause of certain cancers. EID V3 N2: News & Notes - Simian Virus 40 (SV40), a Possible Human Polyomavirus This is just one reason to worry what gets passed through that we dont know about. This virus is now detected and destroyed but who knows what the heck they miss, we know our scientists arent PERFECT like everyone wants to believe. They are trying to find SAFER methods of vaccine production. But in the meantime we are the guinea pigs. The population explosion of autism is huge. There is something going on. I can go on and on. Again it took me months of research and debating the truth and what we are "taught and told" to come to my opinions. like Ive said before, I was always pro vaccine for the cause it stands for, but now I KNOW they are unsafe and I apologize for posting this on this board. If any one would like to talk further maybe we should go to private email. Tiffany

Does anyone use and convert their old favorites? I am sure SOME of you do ....and you know who you are. :-) This post is for all the not- so-great-cooks out there like me. I have a pile of recipe books that have been gathering dust. I am mourning my old recipes. Will I ever use them? Janelle PS Which Betty Hagman book is THE ONE to buy for beginners. I would love them all, but....$$$

Be sure to check out the latest (September 1) issue of Family Circle magazine for an article on Cure Autism Now and its founders, Jonathan Shestack and Portia Iversen. The article is titled: People Who Make a Difference: If Love Could Cure Autism and it begins on Page 15. I checked their web site, but it doesn't appear to be up yet. Keep checking at www.familycircle.com if you can't get the magazine. All the best, Elizabeth

Your help is needed to round up all of your family, friends and co-workers who like to golf. NWSID (Northwest Society of Interior Designers) is holding their first annual golf tournament. The proceeds will benefit two charities, one of them is the Northwest Autism Foundation (NWAF). In addition to sponsoring the Oasis Conference for parents and professionals, the Northwest Autism Foundation is providing services in Oregon, Washington, Idaho, Montana and Alaska to individuals with autism, especially children, and to their families. Northwest Autism Foundation is will donate the proceeds from this event to the Northwest Clinic for Children. Location and Time: Langon Farms Golf Club 24377 NE Airport Road Aurora, Oregon 97002 Thursday, September 20, 2001 7:45AM - tee off time Registration begins at 6:30AM Scramble Format Shotgun Start All players receive entry gifts and guaranteed raffle prize $125 per individual entry $500 per team (four) Register by September 1, 2001 Enclose check payable to NWSID 7327 SW Barnes Road PMB312 Portland, Oregon 97225 For more information about the tournament and sponsorship oppurtunities please contact Curt Nelson, email address THEHIFIGI@... or 503-641-3083. Please pass this email along to anyone and everyone that can help to make this event a success. Thank you for your help. Patsy and Curt Nelson (parents to Liam, age 3, late-onset autism)

I know you can use juicy juice and capri sun, I think. Go to www.gfcfdiet.com and look under beverages. Maybe you could try watering down the juice slowly. My sister mixes soy milk with juice. Sounds yucky to me, but her 2 yo loves it. Or, if you are really desperate, like I am now, you can give the drink in a bottle-if that would be a treat to your 2 yo. Janelle

Mags, I think I am that Cristina; which post were you referring to that mentioned the buillon? I don't use a recipe, I just eye ball; let me know if you want to know more, I'll try and help. Cristina-WA Proud mom to Gary 4.7 yr ASD, Sarah & David (almost) 2 yr NT twins.

* I just made this for the first time and it was very good so I am reposting it. Andrea S. originally sent it in and it is so easy to make. I only used 3 pieces of white meat so I cut the recipe down in 1/2 from what is listed here, but here is her original recipe for making a whole cut up chicken. I made it with rice, and now the leftover rice and leftover sauce from this I am putting into a meatloaf tomorrow. I don't have an electris skillet like she wrote so I just put it in a saucepan on the stovetop for 2 hours. Denise on Long Island New York * Pepsi Chicken 1 12oz can of Pepsi 16 oz. bottle of GFCF BBQ sauce 1 cup brown sugar 1 chicken, cut up Combine Pepsi, BBQ sauce, and brown sugar. Put into an electric skillet with the chicken pieces and cook over medium to med. low heat for 2-3 hours. You could probably cook this all day on low in a crock pot.

Hi all, I am about to have a children's Birthday Party, and need some suggestions. I know the subject have been discussed a zillion times, but bare with me if I ask again. #1 What candies can I buy in regular grocery stores, that are gfcf (and with the minimum amount of dies as possible)? that includes chewing gums, lollipops and such? I am trying to have pignattas done, but I need the right stuff, so my son won't get into the forbidden foods. #2 I need a foolproof recipe for a bread-type focaccia or something like that, that I can cut up into pieces and use as bread, for the "buffet". Good if done with sorghum and/or rice flour (yeast not a problem). There will be adults, so I am having a pork roast and a chicken, with potato salad and raw veggies or fruits plate. What kind of dipping do you suggest? of course gfcf but for little kids (age ranges from 2 to 5 yo). So nothing spicy, you know? #3 CAKE: I was thinking of a nice fruit tart. I use to make excellent tarts before gfcf; now it is all different, so I would like a nice crust tart recipe (the sweet ones with eggs, sugar and butter-of course, I will sub for the butter). Or maybe a cake that I can make thin and in one layer so I can use as a tart base. How about the icing things that are used to write on cakes: are there any gfcf ones or a recipe to make some so I can write on the cake? how about sugar sparkles? are there any that are ok, and of fast access? I have no time to order online and need to find things in regular stores, so I don't have to drive too far, and can concentrate on the guests arrival from Italy (YAY!!) Is that gfcf wipping cream found in HFS (forgot the name of it), okay? Will it stay whipped also in the fridge after piping it? Ok I think I coverd up all the bases. :o) Thanks in advance to all. Cristina-WA Proud mom to gary 4.7 yo ASD, Sarah & David (almost) 2 yo NT twins.

Hope someone can help on this. I was wondering if sodium phosphate is gluten free. I looked on some of the safe and unsage lists and can not find it. It is listed on some frozen chicken breast packages I have tons of in the freezer and am wondering if its okay. Thanks in advance Diana

Hi All, I am getting very worried. I have my baby Tuesday and all this talk of immunizations is scaring me to death. What should I be on the look out for? And whats an "Dan" Doctor? :O) Ashley

For those who can use soy, I found this recipe in my new Vita Mix cookbook. It should be easy to use in any blender. From Vita-Mix Recipes for Better Living Qick Soy Milk 12.3 ouce block lite tofu 1 quart water yield 5 1/2 cups (1.32 ltr.) Blend on high until smooth. if desired, flavor the soy milk with up to 1 tablespoon brown sugar. and up to 1 tablespoon vanilla. This soy milk separates when refrigerated. Stir before serving. I made my first batch today and it used honey to sweeten it.

I don't use one. Ironically, I use the Martha Stewart method (are you laughing Janelle?). We have to make ice cream the day before we want to have it. BL ****************************** * v'col netivotcha shalom * ******************************

I just got my new Vita Mix recently and have not even used the 'wet' container one yet but have been busy re-grinding up all my flours that I had ground with my very old Vita Mix. Instead of using the old one for a trade-in I have decided to give it to my daughter. I got a 4 1/2 quart Kitchen Aid for Christmas at my request from DH. Check out Vita Mix at their web site www.vitamix.com I did a web search on the Kitchen Aid for price and bought one from Amazon.com Then I found I could of bought it at the same price from our local Wal-Mart. I definitely think both are the best brands. I bought the Vita Mix that comes with two containers. One for wet ingredients and one for dry. It was just a bit more money and I think worth it. My old Vita Mix had a spout to use for drinks and soups and grain always gets caught in it. It was a lot of extra work keeping that out of my flour. Now no spouts and twice the horse power get the flour ready in a lot less time. You can buy one of their reconditioned ones for a little less money. I do not have a clue why I decided not to but kicked myself later for not doing it. These are just the ones that they use in demonstrations at fairs and cooking shows not some that have been traded in. Betty grandmother and guardian to Andrew 9 yo dx'd ADHD, possibly bipolar/RAD, asthma Evan 7 yo dx'd nonverbal autism David 5 yo dx'd ADHD, possibly bipolar/RAD

Andrea's post about banana French toast reminded me of a time as a kid I made Hawaiian French toast for the family's breakfast. I remember I dipped the bread in pineapple juice and fried it along with frying the pineapple slices. Only thing is I don't remember if we also used egg. I wonder if mixing the pineapple juice with a little agar agar would help? Betty grandmother and guardian to Andrew 9 yo dx'd ADHD, possibly bipolar/RAD, asthma Evan 7 yo dx'd nonverbal autism David 5 yo dx'd ADHD, possibly bipolar/RAD

When Evan first started the diet, he started tasting the cat food. I checked it out and it did not have any gluten or casein in it. While his brothers are ALWAYS grabbing a handful, Evan never did so it was a concern that he might be picking up a new habit. Well, it was just a couple of pieces in the first few days of his diet and he left it alone again. Apparently it does not appeal to his taste buds like it does his brothers. What we use has a corn base. I know the pet food is suppose to be fit for human consumption but I really would like to know what the other two boys see in dry cat food. they will sneak it into their room to eat or grab a handful and run out the back door to play. AND I DO FEED THEM. Really, I do. Betty grandmother and guardian to Andrew 9 yo dx'd ADHD, possibly bipolar/RAD, asthma Evan 7 yo dx'd nonverbal autism David 5 yo dx'd ADHD, possibly bipolar/RAD

Glenda, I can't help you with the appliances. I have neither. My mixer is a very old one my grandmother got when she was married 30 years. Still works wonderfully for me. I want to get an electric grain mill but it isn't a priority right now. Bonus on the HFS deal. My local store is so small and cramped that not even the owner knows what all she has in there - grin. Good luck with planning a menu and buying in bulk. Sounds like a plan, but unfortunately homeschooling takes too much time for me to work it like that in this house. Oh well, we all have to make sacrifices... smile BL ****************************** * v'col netivotcha shalom * ******************************

Andrea, Have you tried the cooked flaxseed gel as an egg sub in the french toast. Just wondering. BL ****************************** * v'col netivotcha shalom * ******************************

I am amazed at how Jane is craving the foods that bother her! This morning I gave her a frozen juice bar-one from the gfcfdiet.com list and within 20 min. she was screaming, hitting, running around the room. That was the only thing she ate, so that had to be the citrus in it. She keeps demanding fruit bars. Then I walked around the corner and she was eating fist fulls of the dog's food. She moved her wagon in order to reach the bin it is stored in. She screamed and tried biting me when I went to get it out of her little fingers.Wow! Talk about an addiction. I also got her several boxes of bi-aglut crackers and now she doesn't like them. SIGH. Maybe in a few weeks when the memory of goldfish is no longer... I'm not the one who bought the appliances, although I wish...I am ready to get a little deepfreeze, though. I just bought 12 bags of tapioca starch at the store today. Hmmm, where to store them? Tomorrow I will go to the Indian store for Jowar/Sorghum Flour. I thought they were the same! Thanks. Is Agar Powder the same as Agar Agar? As far as "recovery" goes, in the few weeks we have been on the diet, I have seen amazing improvements. However, just today I was feeling down bc I guess I was expecting the improvements to keep on going until she was "normal". I am still accepting, I guess. ps I made several rice milks today. I am excited to have a cheaper way to provide cereal liquid! Can I add my Kirkman's calcium pwd to the milk? I don't really know how to use the pwd. Every day or just bake with it and whatever they eat, they eat? Janelle

Our DAN doc says to stay away!! I think if it's in fresh, it will be in canned, don't know how they would remove it. Amy What are the feelings regarding canned Tuna? I always thought the mercury factor was related to fresh Tuna and Swordfish. I am planning on asking my DAN! Dr. next appointment, but wanted to know if your doctors are recommending staying away from canned tuna for our kids.

It is also known as Jowar or Johar flour and is available from Indian grocery stores. I paid about $2.50 for a 2 pound bag. Ethnic markets are always a good place to look for inexpensive products. -Gina

Before I answer with my thoughts, could we please try to remember to preface Off Topic items with OT before the subject in the subject line. That will make it easier for those who wish to only receive recipes as well as for those who are on digest mode to decide which ones they will read. Thanks I can't answer about Clomid or other fertility drugs because I haven't seen too much research in that area, but I wanted to ask you if your children had received early vaccinations. It is possible for someone to have an existing disposition to something and then have it triggered by trauma of one kind or another. Vaccine damage relates to many children with autism who were fine before shots. With the government instituting programs for more and more vaccines earlier and earlier I am of the opinion that more children are being brain damaged from birth. BL ****************************** * v'col netivotcha shalom * ******************************

Kathy, Rice dream is not gluten free. Try Pacific , they have 3 flavors. We use Dari-free, a potato based beverage which LJ really likes. Comes in chocolate too for those that can have chocolate. Denise * On 17 Aug 2001 05:11:12 -0700 Kathy Burton <kathymomof3boys@... Good Morning. I have a question in regards to the diet. I currently have my 2y.o. on Rice Milk from Rice Dreams. I need to switch him. What milk or type of Milk product should I switch him to? I know that i need to wean him off of hte Rice Milk. He actually enjoys the Rice Milk. Thanks for any help. Kathy

miss roben's. Ask Jay, or check their website. BL ****************************** * v'col netivotcha shalom * ******************************

Kathy, I used clomid, too, to conceive Jane. I also know she has been ASD since I was PG with her. Or at least since birth. My second(and last!) child was not a clomid conception and so far so good-he's only 13 mos. I think I saw a poll on some site that asked the clomid question and the results were not one way or the other. I had been wondering the same thing, though. Janelle

Brenda-Lee would you please post your rice milk recipe. I tried finding it and others(successfully)in the archives and want to experiment. Thanks, Janelle

My husband and I were thinking last night about trying Jane back on milk. After all, we just jumped head first into this five weeks ago and went cold turkey gfcf and have had only the skin prick(or whatever they are called)tests and she only reacted to peanuts. Then I read a little about the gut thing and thought, is it worth it to try her back on dairy products? But we really don't know which one bothers her(GFCF?). Since dairy leaves your system quickly....Has anyone tried to reintroduce dairy? Are any of you just gf? Janelle

I tried the crunchy chickpea recipe in Lisa's book yesterday and it was a flop. It never got crunchy. Has anyone tried and had success? What did I do wrong? I used dried chickpeas and overnight soaked and then cooked the next day.

Until I read this I had forgotten that one of my older children had broken 2-3 mercury thermometers at the doctor's office by letting it fall from their mouth. I remember that my son was playing with the mercury on the floor! No one even thought a thing about it. I certainly did not know about mercury poisoning and apparently neither did the nurse. I can't even remember now if the doctor even knew it happened. My son suffers from depression but it runs in our family. My oldest daughter doesn't seem to have any problems except for being a workaholic. That was over 35 years ago and now I cannot remember if just the boy or both of them was down on the floor chasing the mercury around. crazy to remember this and wonder if that had any thing to do with his behavior growing up and now. I just woke up in the middle of the night and noticed a light on in the kitchen. I wondered where the light was coming from and went to check. It was the light in the microwave and smoke was pouring out of it. David had got up, told his mom he was hungry. She told him to go back to bed and fell back to sleep. He put a pizza pocket into the microwave. It was still set to go another 69 minutes and was all ready burnt to a black crisp. They cook in 2 minutes so I do not know how long it had been on. He had Unisom and he still got up at 2 am! And he is not the one with autism. I have been waiting for months for Mental Health to get him evaluated! His therapist does not think he is bipolar and he is unsure that he is RAD. I wish he lived with him and maybe he would hurry the evaluation but he does not even want to work with him as a therapist because of the boy's behavior! Sorry I know that this is off topic, but some people get long winded when they get up at 2 am with a house full of smoke! Betty guardian to grandsons Andrew 10 yo ADHD and possible RAD or bipolar Evan 7 yo nonverbal autism David 5 yo ADHD and possible RAD or bipolar

Glenda Sometimes it takes things like this weekend to prove to us what a difference the regime is making in our lives and the lives of those we love. It is expensive but as time goes on, you will find more and more ways to economize as well. If you don't have corn issues, you may be able to use cheaper corn flours in place of some of the more expensive ones, as well as finding generic brands of things like rice noodles locally. Until this year, we didn't even consider bread because it seemed a waste and while the children and dh loved having the buckwheat and chana bread on Tues, they are happy too to go back to eating tacos and waffles instead of "bread". BTW, use romaine lettuce as a wrap for tuna. It makes a great lunch treat. My son used to take it to school and the other children made fun of him until his teacher pointed out to them that Alex was eating way healthier than they were - grin! My children even ask to have salad and other healthy choices that parents all around me are wishing their children would ask for. As time wears on, (it's been 5 years plus for us) you will find you spend less. I use the crockpot alot and make lots of soups and stews in the winter and that saves lots of money as well. Just a couple of thoughts, BL ****************************** * v'col netivotcha shalom * ******************************

Benadryl will knock Evan out like a light but does just the opposite with his hyper-active brother. He bounces off the wall. Melatonin will put him out though.

Hi All, I am only 2 weeks into my son's PDD diagnosis and I'm doing lots of research. Today's posted topics made me really think about think the possible reason for Autism. Do you all feel that Autism was caused entirely by environmental reasons and not genetics? I am having my son evaluated this fall and I am filling out a mountain of paperwork. LOTS OF QUESTIONS!!! I got to the family history page and I was really taken back by my (and my hubby's) family history. I have had OCD, depression, and anxiety since I was a tot. My Mother had OCD, depression, bi polar, addictions to alcohol and prescription drugs AND is currently suffering from dementia. According to my father, my mother's sister "was not right" and died as a young woman. My hubby is ADHD, and was speech delayed / L. D. as a child. My hubby's brother was OCD and his mother and 2 sisters all suffer from depression. After hearing my son's diagnosis, my father told me that he has always been worried about me having children. OMG!!!! Just fix me now!!!!!!! LOL I don't mean to go on and on but I have noticed that many families have multiple children with psych issues and spectrum disorders. What is your take on this? :O) Ashley

And did these same doctors think your child has autism because you are a 'refrigerator' mom? Sounds like one of our old doctors who said that there is NOTHING that you can do for autism. Betty

There is a group of researchers who consider ADHD part of the autistic spectrum of disorders. The GFCF diet works well for many ADHD children as well. Of course, many ADHD children are actually misdiagnosed Cerebral Allergy Responses anyway. Our former ped even agreed that while the eldest was indeed diagnosed ADHD, he did have many autistic-like behaviours. BL ****************************** * v'col netivotcha shalom * ******************************

I read somewhere to put a screen door on the bedroom door with the lock facing out so you can lock them in, but they can still see out, hear ect. Laurie

Cynthia, actually this sounds completely familiar. I belong to a RAD list also and that is normal procedure for RAD children that like to roam, destroy and basically make life miserable for their parents after everyone is asleep. We have not done it to our boys because they do not do dangerous things when they sneak out of bed after everyone else is asleep. But our house does have locks on the outside doors that none of them can unlock without a key. That is to keep Evan from taking off down the road by himself and his two RAD brothers from sneaking out and getting into trouble. It is a pain to have to get a key to unlock the door everytime we want to go outside but it does give us peace of mind. Betty

dear listmates - I may be all wrong here, but I thought the name of this list is GFCFrecipes. There are many other lists about autism for other topics not related to the diet. I get the posts in digest form and it is very difficult and time consuming to scoll through numerous OT posts that have absolutely NOTHING to do with the GFCF diet or recipes. The posts asking questions about products, GF/CF status, how to properly make Noah's bread etc, get lost. I hope I'm not stepping on the moderator's toes, but I as a member would really appreciate it if the posts stayed on-topic! BTW, I made snack bars that aren't that different from Quaker Chewy bars yesterday, I used the basic marshmellow/rice krispy recipe and added peanut butter. Instead of rice krispies I used puffed millet and raisins. 1/4 cup margerine 4 cups marshmellows 1/2 cup peanut butter 3 1/2 cups puffed cereal (I used millet, corn or rice could also be used or a combination) 1/2 cup dried fruit (raisins,chopped apricots, currants, etc) Melt the margerine and marshmellows in the microwave on medium power, Stir in the peanut butter until smooth. Add cereal and dried fruit. Spread on wax paper to 1/2 thickness, cut into bars 1" by 4". Wrap individually in plastic or foil. May also dip in melted chocolate for a real treat!!!! You could also add chopped peanuts or sliced almonds. -Gina

I am still in shock , too. The best tip someone gave on the site was to order guar gum(same thing as Xanthum, but much cheaper)from glutensolutions.com.

Does anyone know if Shadybrook frozen turkey breast is GFCF? Also, I know that Hellmanns Mayo is GFCF, but does that also mean that their Lite and Lowfat types are also GFCF?

Dear All Listmates We will be stopping in SanJose this week end to visit Family and will need to know of a health food store(s) please send name and as much of address as possible (main street) to me off list At dutkiewicz@... Thanks so much Pat in Salem OR

Hi, I usually just lurk but I thought those of you with non-sleeping kids might like to hear our experience. Our son has been GFCF for about a year now, and just started enzymes last week. While we noticed a while ago that oranges are definitely a no-no for him, it was hard to know if a little would hurt. It seems that with oranges, he needs to have over a certain amount before the reaction starts. Well, we were mixing his enzymes with orange juice (stupid me) and he had real problems sleeping through the night. We stopped giving him orange juice and within 2 days he was sleeping all night again. I plan on exploring the PST issue further. (BTW - yes, he continues to receive enzymes but in lemonade instead) I know that this won't help everyone but thought I'd let you know our experience. Sorry to respond to this thread so late. I get the digest and try to limit my computer time to once a day (too busy working with the kids :o)) Cheers, Susan in Canada :o)

Thank you all so much. I just made lisa's vanilla pudding(sure do miss those pudding cups) and can go shopping for new corn free items. Janelle

Well, I'm not sure what happened to my reply message- it didn't show up correctly. Anyway, all I said was we had to do the lock reverse thing too. When my AS daughter was 2 1/2 she wouldn't stay in bed. The pediatrician told us to just keep putting her back in bed- she would give up. HA!! That night she came out of her room 57 times!!! We counted! Anyway, after #57 we wisely decided to reverse the lock before we hurt her or ourselves- we were pretty much at the end of our rope. She was mad as a hornet, for about 1/2 an hour. Then all quiet and she went to ged. The next night she yelled for about 10 minutes, then quiet. The third, a token whine. She discovered that you can't engage with a locked door, you can't argue with it, persistence doesn't pay off. From then on, she'd just quietly check that it was in fact locked a few times after we put her to bed- every night for the next year!! These kids are like elephants- they never forget! Now she's almost 6 and we haven't had to do that for a couple of years. But, we still do it for our 4 1/2 yr. old autistic little guy. He'd be quietly up and gone before we would know it. Everybody sleeps, bedtime is not a battle. It works for us. We have plenty of friends for whom the family bed concept works great. I have no issue with that, more power to them. In our case, our kids would never settle down, and kicked us all night, and nobody slept. So, it just didn't work. Try the Dr. Phil test- "does this work for me?". Don't worry about everybody else. Every family works in it's own way that doesn't mean that somebody is wrong and somebody is right.

Thanks for all the wonderful info on yeast, corn.I will look at kirkman's today. I slept with Jane last night(no I am not involved in the sleep topic-teehee)so that I could rub her tummy all night."Tummy hurt" was all I heard. She woke and wanted to eat and I had no idea what to give her. I think sometimes she is hungry. I am giving her no fruits bc we think she reacts to the phenols.I know some fruits are ok, just haven't had time to check it all out. I spend my days taking care of the kids and research as much as I can while/ if they nap. The kids are 33 mos and 13 mos and can not be left to play indep. due to the aggression in Jane and her inability to play indep for more than a few min. I just feel so overwhelmed. I haven't had time to look into corn subs, I am with Jane 24/7 and how do you all find the time to do this when you are starting out!? My parents live in another state and are in a panic that we are starving Jane. I guess I feel so alone in this and wonder if this is right. Yes, I have a supportive,fully believes in the diet dh(does that mean dear husband? I don't know if that applies alllll of the time, but...)When he gets home, we each take a child. I guess a DAN dr. would really be helpful,but too $$$ right now. I do have a nutritionist through ECI coming. I requested one that knows about gfcf/autism. We'll see....How long before I figure out all of her allergies and can feed her. BTW, she has serious SI issues and only likes "CRUNCHY". I am desperate to find a replacement for potato chips. Sorry so long and desperate sounding, once again! Janelle

I will take expressed concerns under advisement, as I am sure Angela will do when she has time to check in with the list. It concerns me that we should not include the preface, "in my opinion", because it is personal experience which has led to the development of this diet and to the research parents are now insisting on. It is important that we let other people know that this is not information provided by a medical doctor and that we are not advocating a "magic" button for everyone. I realize that many topics are touchy, that controversy exists elsewhere and that this list has remained basically free from those things because we concentrate only on sharing recipes and dietary tips, but the real world does not segregate cooking from life and sometimes other issues will have a place. Since these messages were prefaced with an OT designation they could have been skipped by those who did not wish to read them. At this point in time, I suggest that we abandon the topic of co-sleeping. I appreciate how Amy and Denise were able to reconcile their differences and I also suggest we move on. Respectfully, Brenda-Lee Co-Moderator ****************************** * v'col netivotcha shalom * ******************************

So did I when I went shopping - I had better tell the mum who told me that it is gf. I had a shock today when I checked the ingredients of our soy milk more carefully - malt extract is the second ingredient! One of their brands they state malt extract (from corn) but the others don't specify the source. It took me twenty minutes to read all the other labels until I found a gf one. Marita

* Lorrie, but then wouldn't that leave it as a one sided view of any topic? To me, this was a topic that many of us do come across and deal with, so different ideas and strategies should be able to be presented. I guess we (and me included) just have to not read into it personally as an attack on us when the other side is presented., and not attack others to express our view. Denise (LJs mom) on Long Island New York * On Wed, 15 Aug 2001 20:52:10 -0700 "Lorrie Lucas" <lorrielucas@... As is everyone here, I am interested in anything and everything that applies to helping recover from autism and coping with/moderating associated behaviors, but would it be too much to ask that if someone feels that they need to express their differing 'opinions' on a post, that they do it PRIVATELY. Thank you.

Hi- This isn't a recipe, but it is a GFCF topic... Wanted to see if anyone else has ever heard of this kind of scenario. Please excuse the length, but I wanted to give a little background. My 9-year-old son Nicko has been mostly GFCF for about 4 years, and TOTALLY GFCF for about 16 months (except for a couple of slip-ups). He seemed to experience withdrawal when he went totally GFCF, but we were also doing an elimination diet at the time. We've never been sure if the diet was helping him or not; we haven't seen any obvious reaction to slipups. One thing we did see was that, when he went totally GFCF, severe constipation started that has been plaguing him most of the time since then. (With occasional impaction evidenced by x-ray). All of the recommended dietary changes and mineral oil, laxatives, etc. have only provided occasional temporary relief. I actually have a kid who will beg me for enemas sometime (not to be too gross, but it's an indicator!). We decided to see what would happen if we reintroduced gluten into his diet, without changing anything else. So, last week we did. And.... he's been having much more regular, soft bowel movements without pain and straining ever since. This is the first time in over a year that he's produced a significant quantity of stool on a daily (or more than daily) basis. On the flip side, we've seen a little bit more "hyper" behavior. Most of his behavior has been within his (admittedly wide) normal range. I don't know what to do! I'm nervous about "poisoning" my son with gluten, but I'm so relieved to see him more comfortable and not all backed up. Any thoughts? Thanks-- Jane from Madison, WI

We have discovered a definite corn allergy with Jane(2 1/2 pdd). I am just getting over the overwhelmed feeling from the first few wks on the diet and the thought of avoiding corn is frightening. I printed out a list of items that contained corn someone had posted, but if anyone has this corn problem, would you tell me what to sub for the following(I will eventually get it all researched, but am desperate to make her some goodies that won't bother her)Also, will our kids outgrow any of these allergies? Which oil to use? Is fleishman's margarine still ok? what baking powder? Is vance's dari free ok? are potato chips out? she loves them and lives on them. I am also feeling a bit concerned about all of the new symptoms she is having(hives, tummy aches, almost constant fingers or entire hand in mouth). I am trying to keep in mind that this is common for there to be hidden allergies that emerge. I started the Dr. Sears tummy rubbing thing(she loves that), she refuses bubble drinks(club soda or ASeltzer), she didn't have a BM today(very unusual). I guess I am feeling I might be doing her some harm. Anyone who has ever felt this way, give me a boost! I truly believe in this diet, but it's just so scarey "going it alone". We use SNT, DMG plus folic, calcium. Have been using those for a few mos.(well, just started the calcium today) Thanks so much for your time!! Janelle

************************ ***********************8 NO Bake ALMOND butter cookies 8 oz. almond butter mix into 4 oz. SIFTED confectioners sugar. Mix in to taste acceptable GFCF dry cereal. Refrigerate, slice and eat. ************ ************* On Wed, 15 Aug 2001 15:48:05 -0400 "Jordan Schwartz" <ams1088@... I accidentally deleted your recipe instead of printing it on PB cookies that you can sub in Almond Butter for. Do you mind posting it one more time? Thanks

* It is important to get children into their own beds when they are young. I agree with you Cristina. My son and I have our times during the day for each other, nightime he sleeps in his bed. My good friend went the route of sleeping with her lit5tle guy, she now has a 9 year old that has to sleep with her ALL NIGHT, with no apparent end in sight to this habit. I don't see that marriage as too happy. Break the habit while they are young. Denise (LJs mom) on Long Island New York * On Wed, 15 Aug 2001 21:34:28 -0000 "Cristina Pippin" <CristinaPip@... I do not consider it a "good habit" because I think children should learn to cope with things on their own, and learning to sleep alone is the first step towards gaining your own independence and self esteem-IMHO-; and least but not last, I think I "deserve" to sleep alone in my own bed, and have some intimacy and be able to be with my husband. See, we already sleep very little, and very badly, why would I have to make it even less time and more unconfortably?

Now that we are on the subject of rashes, my son has had a bumpy rash on his upper arms for over a year. My regular ped said to put on some cortisone cream,and my nutritionist said it was probably due to a fatty acid deficiency. So he had been on EFA's for three months now and no improvement. Any ideas? They are small bumps, some are skin colored, some are red.

Carol, If Janelle's "rash" is yeast, buy some antifungal cream and apply it. If the "rash" goes away it is yeast. If a steroid helps, the rash isn't yeast. Steroids encourage yeast to grow rapidly. Parks's "eczema" was food related - legumes and gluten. You may also want to read the book The Yeast Connection. In addition to getting rid of the yeast, you might want to keep it away. The Yeast Connection gives a diet, low in simple carbohydrates and sugar/starchy foods; such as apples, grapes, juices, carrots, sugar/sweeteners, cookies/sweets, corn, white rice, potatoes... Taking a herb or fungicide is great to get rid of the yeast temporarily, but if one is prone to getting intestinal yeast, a diet change may be the way to go. The best of luck. in peace and love, Cindy For what we get, we can make a living; what we give, however, makes a life. -- Arthur Ashe Life is an opportunity, benefit from it. Life is beauty, admire it. Life is bliss, taste it. Life is a dream, realize it. Life is a challenge, meet it. Life is a duty, complete it. Life is a game, play it. Life is a promise, fulfill it. Life is sorrow, overcome it. Life is a song, sing it. Life is a struggle, accept it. Life is a tragedy, confront it. Life is an adventure, dare it. Life is luck, make it. Life is too precious, do not destroy it. Life is life, fight for it. ---Mother Teresa

Silly question of the day - Is yeast the same as fungus? Denisae (LJs mom) on Long Island New York * On Wed, 15 Aug 2001 12:21:55 -0400 CurePDD <Curepdd@... Carol- With the new Doc, ask for an antifungal treatment. If you want, I think there is a lab test to see what kind of yeast it is, and what would be the Best Antifungal. I have never had the test run, we used Nystatin, then Diflucan, now Sporinex. I like to jump around :)-Shari

* Ever get approached in a parking lot by people selling perfumes or stuffed animals for a donation to a charity? WARNING WARNING WARNING WARNING This came to me via a friend up in Atlanta, Ga. She asked that this message be sent to my friends on any list that I have. Since this is something everyone should watch out for, not just women. I was approached yesterday afternoon around 3:30 pm in the Walmart parking lot at Forest Drive (Marshall County), by two males, asking what kind of perfume I was wearing. Then they asked if I'd like to sample some fabulous scent they were willing to sell me at a very reasonable rate. I probably would have agreed had I not received an e-mail some weeks ago, warning of a "wanna smell this neat perfume?" scam. The men continued to stand between parked cars, I guess to wait for someone else to hit on. I stopped a lady going toward them, pointed at them, and told her about how I was sent an e-mail at work about someone walking up to you at the malls or in parking lots, and asking you to SNIFF PERFUME that they are selling at a cheap price. THIS IS NOT PERFUME - IT IS ETHER! When you sniff it, you'll pass out. And they'll take your wallet, your valuables, and heaven knows what else. (Maybe your life) If it were not for this e-mail, I probably would have sniffed the "perfume". But thanks to the generosity of an emailing friend, I was spared whatever might have happened to me. I wanted to do the same for you. PASS THIS ALONG TO ALL YOUR WOMEN FRIENDS, AND PLEASE BE ALERT AND AWARE!!

Please send the recipe from the naturopath. I am beginning to think you are the Martha Stewart of the gfcf world. Janelle

I tried Marci's soft bread from Lisa's book for the first time today and loved them! I was laughing when I was making them bc it sure didn't look like it would amount to anything... My 2 1/2 pdd daughter stopped screaming after her 18 hr. marathon. She's scheduled for an MRI end Sept. and meanwhile we are wondering what seizures can look like. We suspect seizures and/or panic attacks. Does anyone have this problem? Her eczema(don't you love how we all spell it differently?)flared up this morning after eating a corn muffin. I have been suspecting a corn allergy/intolerance, but didn't want to give that up with the soy at the same time. So, I suspect it was from the corn? Currently she uses nystatin/cortisone compound cream (prescription) for her genital area. I have been suspecting yeast problems, but don't know much about it. I know you only have to treat it for a short time. That was very interesting to hear about the yeast-eczema connection. Can I put the nystatin/cortisone on other parts of her body-I know long term is a no-no. Where is a good place to find info on yeast /antifungul treatment? Janelle

I made a few changes in this recipe from an old Better Homes and Garden Cookbook Butterscotch Cookie Bars 1/2 cup margarine (I used Nucoa) 2 cups brown sugar 2 eggs 1 teaspoon vanilla 2 cups sifted gfcf flour 2 teaspoons baking powder 1/4 teaspoon salt The recipes calls for 1 cup shredded coconut 1 cup chopped walnuts I replaced them with 1/2 cup sesame seeds 1/2 cup raw sunflower seeds 1 cup raw pumpkin seeds The recipe calls for combining butter and brown sugar in a saucepan and cooking it over low heat until bubbly, stirring constantly. Cool. Add eggs to cooled mixture, one at a time, beating well after each; add vanilla. I have always just mixed the butter, brown sugar, eggs and then vanilla in my mixer and beat well, skipping the cooking procedure. Sift together dry ingredients; add with coconuts and nuts to brown sugar mixture; mix thoroughly. Spread in greased 15 1/2 x 10 1/2 inch pan. Bake in a moderate oven (350 degrees) about 25-35 minutes. Cut in bars while warm. Remove from pan when almost cool. Makes 3 dozen. These were suppose to be for Evan but the rest of us cannot keep our hands off them. I was thinking of substituting 1 cup molasses or honey for the brown sugar. Does any of you cookies bakers out there think that would work?

* Ok, I am redoing my kitchen and have been going through thins and I just found a Seal-a-Meal, brand new, but it has to be at least 30 years old. My question is - I hear so much about not micro waving in plastic cause the toxic whatever from the plastic gets into your food. So since the bags for this are plastic (its a machine that seals food in plastic bags so that you can just freeze the bagged food and pop it into boiling water when you want it), is there a danger from the food being boiled in these plastic bags? Denise (LJs mom) on Long Island New York ps. Yes it is 1:30 in the morning here!!

Debbie Chana is an East Indian flour made from a pulse (related to legumes but not one) that is similar to chickpeas and lentils. It is a yellow flour and tastes like most other bean flours but seems to be tolerate by those who cannot have legumes. I find it at the local Safeway, but then we have a large East Indian/Punjabi population in town and the Safeway caters to that with an Indian cooking section. I believe they also have it at the Real Canadian Warehouse Store (kind of like Costco) but I don't suppose either of those will help you. Sorry, still can't move in. Dad can cook GFCF for sure, but he just doesn't know how to have meals on time, and as you probably know, children DEMAND meals on time - grin. BL ****************************** * v'col netivotcha shalom * ******************************

Hi all, I just ordered melatonin from Kirkman's after debating long enough. I decided I should give it a try after I've heard so many positive opinions on it. Anyway, my questions are the followings: 1) will this make him sleep all night, regardless of PST (Working on it), or is it just a help for falling asleep? (he falls asleep alright, just will wake up and stay awake a while) 2) can it help also my NT 2 yr old (to be in 9 days) that wakes up tons of times in one night and always wants into our bed? (I think he takes it as a habit now!) 1 capsule of Kirkman contains 1 mg; It says 1 capsule for small children. 3)So, what dosage exactly for a 4.7 yr (40lb)? 4) and for a 2 yr (about 25lb, I think)? -For both, at least the dosage to begin with, if you know what I mean-. Thanks to all in advance. Cristina-WA Proud (sleepless) mom to Gary 4.7yr ASD, Sarah & David (almost) 2yr NT twins.

Please don't feel that you have done anything wrong. I am certain that you are not a mommy dearest, at all! If you are dealing with chronic ezcema, you may want to consider applying a safe lubricant/moisturizer. I am not sure about the gluten free/casien free status of Aquaphor lotion at the present moment, but we used it for our son's severe ezcema about 5 years ago. It is availalbe by special request by most pharmacy, and it is an over the counter item. Epson salt burns because it is contains salt, sort of like when you get salt in an open mouth wound. Food allergies can definetly trigger ezcema, too. In our son's case, it was corn that was our biggest culprit for trigger very very severe ezcema. Hang in there, and don't be so hard on yourself. Diane Message: 23 Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 18:05:29 -0000 From: cliffybayer@... Subject: epsom salts Talk about Mommie Dearest! I gave Jane an epsom salt bath yesterday (first time) and burned her skin. She used to have non stop eczema pre gfcf and all of the old "wounds" opened and looked like burns. I didn't think it would do this. I also used Baby Magic(for the first time) on my son, who was bathing at the same time, but have never seen a reaction like that from a cleaning product. I always use Cetaphil cleanser on her and will cont. even if not gfcf as it is the only thing that doesn't irritate her skin. Did you know it would do this? I could play Joan Crawford without a problem today! Yikes. Janelle

This is what it says in the Miss Robens catalog about Dari-free- "Per Vances -crystalline fructose (derived from corn) is used to make Dari-free. The fructose is so highly refined, however, most individuals. including those with high corn sensitivity, can consume Dari-free with no problems. Hence we use corn" That is what Vances told them. Denise (LJs mom) on Long Island New York * On Tue, 14 Aug 2001 14:31:24 -0400 "Toby Mijolovic" <tobyjaco@... Thank you to all who have given helful advice! I just read on the GFCF food list website (the corn link) that Dairi Free has corn in it??? HOw true is this? Toby

My Dari Free arrived today. I am sold! It is wonderful and you're right, it's actually cheaper than the soy I was buying. Also, I know it depends on where you live, but in the South, Miss Roben's takes a long time to arrive. I ordered from glutonsolutions (someone told me that was a good place to get guar gum) and it arrived very fast. Janelle

Yes, in such things as Barbaras instant potatoes for example - has mono diglycerides , well the company replied to me saying that was a soy, so any product with diglycerides you should check. I call all manufacturesers anyway, even if it doesn't look like I need to question , I still call. Vegetable oils sometimes (actually most of the times) are a soy oil. I use Vances Dari-free for all drinking, cooking, baking, even mashed potatoes. It comes to about $1.66 a quart. I know before the diet I could get a 1/2 gallon of milk for that but................. I keep water in the refrigerator for most drinking. Denise (LJs mom) on Long Island New York * Tue, 14 Aug 2001 18:00:39 -0000 cliffybayer@... writes: . There really aren't any hidden soy foods, are there? I ordered Vance's and it should be here today. Without ever seeing the product, tasting it, etc...I think it is very $$ and do you all let your kids drink cup after cup of this stuff as we currently allow now with soy? I ordered calcium today as the calcium issue concerns me. Jane doesn't like rice, almond, and only allow pear juice due to phenol avoidance. Eating is extemely limited so other calcium sources don't exist for the most part. Is Vance's the only alternative? If so, I guess I will limit her to three cups a day or whatever the RDA is as it seems very $$$. Pushing the water is a good idea anyway.BTW we would all be drinking it as she craves cows and soy milk and I am too worried she will get it somehow.

Toby, Miss Robens has a web site at www.missroben.com and they sell Dari-free which is great. It is a potato based bev.. Sounds strange but really is good. We use it for drinking, baking, in mashed potatoes, etc. I am in New York and get my deliveries from her in 2 days. For every $45 you spend you get a free mix. You can also call them at 1-800-891-0083 and ask them for a catalog - they carry pastas, cereals, ready made snacks and cookies, also mixes, vitamins, condiments, etc. and every item in the catalog is clearly labeled if it is GF, CF, peanut free, egg free, soy free, corn free, etc. If you are too afr away till you get a delivery let him drink juice or water, etc. Some supermarkets carry Pacific rice milk which is GFCF. Denise (LJs mom) on Long Island New York * On Tue, 14 Aug 2001 12:09:21 -0400 "Toby Mijolovic" <tobyjaco@... . I dont know what milk substitute to buy, how do you know if there is gluten in them, it wasnt listed at all on the ingredients label!? . Thanks for listening, ANY advice on what to buy would be GREATLY appreciated. Does anyone know of any REALLY good health food stores in the syracuse or albany areas? Toby

Thank you soooo much for the advice on Jane and her screaming. She finally fell asleep and hopefully a nice nap will help. Please God!! She is 2 1/2 and pddnos. I was pretty upset and didn't give enough info. I really, really appreciate the help. I don't have a DAN dr. yet, as they are sooo $$, but am beginning to think it would be worth it. I don't feel the ER ppl or pedi. would be helpful. I should say we took Jane to the ER for "pitching a non-stop fit" a month ago and it was a joke. They did nothing and we came to the conclusion she might have panic attacks. To the person who said they used GABA(?) and had the same problem, tell me more, please. I just ordered calcium from Kirkman's and maybe should call and see if they can add GABA. Sometimes I feel " what am I doing to my child? She won't eat anything but potato chips and screams and I can't help her!" I am making no sense, I guess I mean that I feel like an unqualified scientist and nobody can help tell us if we are doing the right thing. I am sure you all can relate! I do know the gfcf diet is the right direction. Ok, enough already! Janelle

Talk about Mommie Dearest! I gave Jane an epsom salt bath yesterday (first time) and burned her skin. She used to have non stop eczema pre gfcf and all of the old "wounds" opened and looked like burns. I didn't think it would do this. I also used B